Is Withdrawal right?

I'm starting to question whether passing Iraq withdrawal legislation is the right thing to do.

Now don't get me wrong -- I'm not about to suddenly start claiming, as a somewhat delusional McCain did yesterday, that it's suddenly safe and pleasant to roam the streets of Baghdad, or that we're on the cusp of victory only to surrender suddenly. All of that is rhetorical BS, as most people are well aware.

What I am willing to question, however, is whether withdrawal legislation is the correct strategic move at this time. Most of us have already acknowledged that it's more of a symbolic move, given that it will certainly be vetoed, and that we really don't have the votes to override that veto.

All this means that we're heading into an inevitable game of troop-funding chicken -- and while that has the potential to reflect poorly on the Administration, it's hardly the safest course for us. Funding the troops is a political minefield, and the problem with the withdrawal portion of the legislation is that it gives the Administration a somewhat defensible position from which to issue the Veto.

I feel I need to clarify that last statement. I'm not saying that I support the inevitable veto of the appropriations bill.  What I'm saying is that the notion that the Executive needs to be able to wage war without the interference of Congress - as a general principle - has a lot more support than does this particular executive waging war in this particular case.  So while the public may support withdrawal, that doesn't make our position watertight if it comes to a funding standoff. While we're forcing Bush into a veto that has the potential to reflect negatively on him, we're leaving ourselves extremely exposed to allegations of cutting off funding to the troops, while at the same time not causing the veto to be as damaging as it could be to the administration.

Given the Administration's current level of hubris, there's a rather wide range of legislation that they would never sign. So why give them the veto excuse that's easily explained to a large portion of the American public when we can likely get him to veto it based on something far more obscure and inexplicable? The rhetoric for a veto based on refusing to accept conditions under which the war will be waged is a LOT stronger than the rhetoric for a veto based on some unrelated matter which nevertheless is anathema to the administration.

Let the Administration try to explain why they refused to fund the troops due to a clause which reverses the ban in federal funding for stem cell research. That's not a winning situation for them.

For us, however, forcing such a choice from the administration is win/win. We take on much less risk and either score a political win in the form of funding for stem cell research, or force a veto on grounds that are unjustifiable to the vast majority of the American public.

A veto based on the withdrawal language is too easy to defend - and the right wing media engine is eager to cast the Dems as denying funding to the troops out of an irresponsible idealism.
If we can force a veto on less defensible grounds, we get a much bigger boost from this - with substantially less risk of being blamed for the veto. If we're going to get vetoed, we should make it as costly as possible to the President and all members of Congress who are still doing his bidding, and minimize the risk to ourselves.



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Why do GOP want to stay more than 18 months? (none / 0)

What is wrong about setting a deadline of 18 months--to finish up the "surge, train Iraqi troops, plan for orderly redeployment,  get neigboring countries to convene and prepare,  get insurgent groups to the table and talk---

Are you saying you want to stay for more than 18 months more--?

3200 lives lost and counting.

$500Billion  spent and counting.

Our US troops have done enough.  18 months is long time to make the withdrawal smooth and orderly--and change the mission to training and support. instead of combat and be in the middle of civil War


by jasmine on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 12:31:14 PM EST

Re: Is Withdrawal right? (none / 0)

I'm not sure you actually read the post.  

The point isn't that withdrawal would be a bad thing.  I'm fully in support of getting out of Iraq.  The fact of the matter, however, is that we don't have the political power right now to override a veto and force that.

Given that, the question turns to how we can get the best return out of the appropriations process - my assertion is that we can get more mileage out of forcing the administration to veto troop funding on a basis unrelated to withdrawal than we can out of forcing the administration to veto troop funding by inserting a withdrawal requirement.

It's pragmatic rather than idealistic - but given the right wing media, it's hard to be certain that our message will win out when Bush vetoes the withdrawal bill.  The fact of the matter is that the bad guys have been better at mainstream media control than we have been, and this is going to be entirely a battle of mainstream media control.


by dopplex on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 12:45:32 PM EST

Dopplex, I think your point is well taken... (none / 0)

There is nothing wrong with thinking out loud.  I get a bit tired of the rigid dogma on some blog sites where everyone wants to jump down your throat if you don't toe the line.

These are serious matters and there's nothing wrong with thinking things threw pragmatically.

I get very bored with the "Bush lied" crowd.  We are there, and face it, our party was right there with Bush at the beginning.  The issue now is finding a sensible way out.  And the bottom line is because our majority is so razor thin whatever the solution is, it'll have to be worked out with some Republicans.

Welcome to democracy... and in my quiet moments... that's not such a bad thing...


by MaryGallan on Wed Mar 28, 2007 at 02:26:33 PM EST


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